Две русские туристки застрелены на Джомтьене.

[Stratton]

В Паттая Дэйли Ньюс в замусоленной теме об аресте проституток из Узбекистана некий Дмитрий в комментах выложил факты в тему. Вопрос только откуда он их берет.

Dear Editor,
I. In 2004 while in the immigration prison (so-called "IDC", located on Soi Suan Phlu) I got acquainted with one man, Mr. John Doe, an Uzbek citizen of Tadjik origin, allegedly from Samarkand city, Uzbekistan, a former KGB official in a rank ofa KGB-Major. While in IDC, Mr. John Doe was detained pending his deportation from Thailand. According to his own claim, he was arrested with some of his prostitutes and kept at the IDC for almost half-year because the Immigration wanted Mr. John Doe to pay protection money to them regularly, while he believed that he had to pay it to the xxxxxxx Police only. Mr. John Doe ' official business then was to bring Uzbek prostitutes (both male and female ones) to Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand and to employ them locally. He claimed to live in Thailand for at least 5 years (to that time).
Mr. John Doe has complained many times that some Russian prostitutes, especially from Moscow, Vladivostok and from central parts of Russia, used to greatly damage his business interests in Thailand due to the fact that, unlike Uzbek prostitutes, Russian ones did not need visa to Thailand and so did not depend on his services to enter this country. According to Mr. John Doe , those Russian prostitutes, instead of working under his cover, normally use tourist companies from Russia to book hotels in areas where there would be a lot of rich clients or in hotels where there is any Discotheques (like Novotel, Siam Square, for example) and, pretending to be just "ordinary tourists", use their own hotels rooms to entertain their casual clients. This would allow them to avoid any control as to how many customers they have per day or how much money they earn and so to avoid his authority. Moreover, working in such an "independent" manner in Bangkok and Pattaya, those prostitutes would deprived his own, Uzbek prostitutes, of good clients, Mr. John Doe claimed, and in a not too distant future, according to him, he would have to resort to some tough measures towards them in order "to teach some of them a lesson". According to Mr. John Doe , those Russian prostitutes, unlike Uzbek prostitutes, do not stay in Bangkok for months, and, instead, use "short-trips" -lasting 2, maximum 3 weeks only. Normally this kind of "migrating" whores spend their time in different counties in a raw -let's say 2-3 weeks in Thailand, one month in Malaysia, one week -in Singapore, one month -in Indonesia, one month in Turkey, one month in UAE, one month -in Korea, than again -2-3 weeks in Thailand etc. This would allow them, besides of all, to be always "fresh" amongst their potential clients, which is one of the most important assets in their business.
2. After being released from IDC (i.e. after being deported to Malaysia and coming back to Thailand) Mr. John Doe used to rent a room No.190 in the Ruen Rudi Condominium, Sukhumvit, Soi I -together with some of his prostitutes, for whom he rented rooms in different floors of the same Condo. (Ruen Rudi Condominium is a well-known place where the most of Uzbek prostitutes usually reside.)
Since Mr. John Doe was my roommate while in immigration prison for almost half-year and he was also a fluent speaker of Russian, I continued to maintain with him some kind of friendly relations even after our release from IDC. As a kind of my acquaintance, Mr. John Doe has been introduced by my to my current lawyer –(Name and address can not be published, but available for further request)
Later, some when in January 2006 Mr. John Doe has had a problem with some policemen from xxxxxxx police station concerning Uzbek prostitutes. Mr. John Doe claimed that the police to whom he had to pay monthly for an alleged "protection" once requested him to send several Uzbek women to a party where they slept with some policemen from xxxxxxxxx police station and Special Branch ("Santiban"). After this, the problem, according to Mr. John Doe , started when his prostitutes requested their fees from him for sleeping with the policemen. Mr. John Doe has had a serious argument with the police (who allegedly believe that the women were a kind of free gift to them) over this matter which was eventually transformed into an open fighting in a bar named "Duala" at Sukhumvit, Soi 3 which took place late in the night 11 of January 2006. During this fight Mr. John Doe was supported by some black heavy-weight boxers from Africa from amongst his clients. Those black boxers managed to beat some of the policemen, some of them seriously. (Some details are also available from the Criminal Case Black No. 426/2549 in the Criminal Court of Southern Bangkok.) In result of this fighting Mr. John Doe has been arrested by the xxxxxxxxx police in early hours 12 of January 2006 and has been officially accused of living in Thailand without passport and later charged with this crime in the Prakhanong District Court (Criminal Case Black NO.N 8/2549, submitted to the Court 13 of January 2006)
A the time of submitting the first request to make a preliminary inquiry to the Prakhanong District Court (i.e. at 13 of January 2006 afternoon) Mr. John Doe has been released on bail by the judge and supposed to appear before the Court to hear the charges. However, Mr. John Doe claimed that he was protected and supported by much bigger policemen than those from xxxxxxxxxx -he mentioned amongst his personal protectors even Police General and refused to appear in the Prakhanong Court as a matter of principle, while continuing to reside in the same Ruen Rudi Condominium, he used to live in before his arrest.

After Mr. John Doe 's refusal to appear at the Prakhanong Court to hear the charges, the Court has issued an arrest- warrant against Mr. John Doe. Unfortunately, all the high-ranking protectors of Mr. John Doe 's in the Thai police did their best to prevent him from being arrested, so this fact allowed Mr. John Doe not even to change his residence -he continued to reside openly in the exactly same room No.190 at the Ruen Rudi Condo.

3. Since Prakhanong District Court has issued the arrest-warrant against Mr. John Doe, he has been arrested twice.
First time he was arrested 7 of March 2006 at about 2.30 PM by the Immigration together with two of his prostitutes inside the Ruen Rudi Condominium, room 190 (full details are available from the Criminal Case Black No. 426/2549 in the Criminal Court of Southern Bangkok or from the Criminal Case Black No.188$/2549 in the Criminal Court of Southern Bangkok).

Despite being wanted by the Prakhanong District Court on the above mentioned arrest-warrant (issued following his non-appearance in the Criminal Case Black NO.N 8/2549), the Immigration, who knew perfectly well about the fact that Mr. John Doe was wanted, has released Mr. John Doe only 3 hours after his arrest (while continuing to detain both of his prostitutes, who were NOT wanted
by any Thai Court).

After being so "miraculously" released, Mr. John Doe claimed that nobody could arrest him in this country, because his protector in the Police Force is really high. When asked why the prostitutes were not released together with him, Mr. John Doe answered that his protector in the Thai Police likes him personally, but hates the women.

4. The second arrest of Mr. John Doe has direct relevance to the double murder in Jomtien beach, therefore it would be described here in more detail
23 February was (and is) one of the most celebrated holidays in the former Soviet Union -this is a birth day of the Red Army, later transformed to be a "Day of Fatherland's Defender" -a date which is always being duly celebrated by the entire male population of the former Soviet Union -even while abroad. Actually, the entire female population celebrates this even as well - because it considers to be a kind of a "Man's Day" on which all men should be congratulated by the women -irrespectively of the men's age and even irrespectively of their actual relevance to the military.
By the way -another strange thing about the two Russian women murdered on Jomtien beach at night 23 of February is that it is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE for any Russian woman to avoid celebrating the Red Army's Day with some men from amongst their co-tourists from the same group. In any case the Russian men would arrange a due celebration of this event and would insist that the women must also participate and to refuse to do so from the women's side would be absolutely inappropriate.
So it must be presumed that if these two women managed to get astray in the evening and spend the night of23 of February separately from the rest of the tourists from their group, then they must have another Russian-speaking male companion they preferred to celebrate this "Man's Day" with. It must be presumed that it is IMPOSSIBLE for any Russian woman to spend such an event as 23 of February in a company of Thai men or other nationals while Russian (or other former Soviet Union) men are available. This is a matter of fact, which any person from former Soviet Union would confirm. So any person, who knows a bit about Russian traditions, must presume that if at night 23 of February there were two Russian women -sitting at the table even on a beach and they have even some alcoholic drinks with them, then some Russian (or former Soviet Union's) man (or men) must have been somewhere around also. Such an event as their being on a beach with bottles of whiskey and wine must be interpreted as nothing else than a protracted celebration of Red Army's Day which began somewhere else (may be in some bar or in a hotel room) and continued on the beach.

Otherwise, these two women would have really nothing to do in the beach in those hours (it was dark, cold, scary, dirty, etc. etc.). So the two lonely women definitely would not spend their time on a dark beach while there was an alternative -to join celebrations of the "Man's Day" by their tourist group instead. So, it must be presumed that some man has brought them to the beach - pretending that the drinking session would continue there. And this man was definitely not Thai, but only Russian, or Russian-speaking, because only such men might celebrate 23 of February...
Since both of us -me and Mr. John Doe were former commissioned officers in the Soviet Military (Mr. John Doe was a graduate from one of the military academies before being recruited by the KGB) we had an especial reason to celebrate this event. I myself was then residing at the house of my lawyer , so all of us, including Mr. xxxxx (who is a communist sympathizer and a truly friend of the Soviet Union), has made an agreement to meet in Mr. xxxxxxx' s house and to have a party regarding a Red Army's Day.

Mr. John Doe supposed to appear in Mr. xxxxxxx's house at about 7 PM 23 of February 2007. However, Mr. John Doe failed to arrive there on time. When I called his mobile phone at about 8 PM 23 of February 2007, Mr. John Doe said that he could not come to the scheduled party, because his plans had been suddenly changed, and he was not in Bangkok, since had to do some urgent business that night in Pattaya. It seems that Mr. John Doe was indeed outside of Bangkok at the moment of my call, because I talked to him during a few minutes and I have noticed that a credit on my mobile phone (I used a pre-paid card) was lower compared with if I would make a call inside Bangkok area. Later, however, (several days after the murder) Mr. John Doe claimed that that evening and night from 23 to 24 of February 2007 he had allegedly spent in Bangkok, allegedly somewhere in Kao Sam Road and this fact could be allegedly confirmed by two of his friends -a certain Mr. Jeff (a very few details of his personality are available) and by a certain Mr. Kaleb Hanaan -a man from Jordan, who co-owns some Israeli restaurant in Kao San Road area.


It seems, however, that the Thai police had different opinion about Mr. John Doe 's whereabouts at the night of the murder. Because 27 of February 2007, Mr. John Doe has been arrested by the Immigration somewhere in Bangkok (probably somewhere around Sukhumvit, Soi 3) and delivered to the Immigration Office at Soi Suan Phlu. There (according to Mr. John Doe 's lawyer- Mr. xxxxxxxxxxx) Mr. John Doe has been alleged of being directly involved in the double murder in Jomtien beach and it was decided that next day he would be handed over to the inquiry group investigating that murder in Pattaya. Additionally, the arresters from Immigration had informed Mr. John Doe that an arrest-warrant has been issued against him by the Prakhanong District Court on the Criminal Case Black No 8/2549 -where he attempted to avoid authority of the Court.

It should be clarified in this regard, that, irrespectively of whether Mr. John Doe would be cleared from any potential involvement in the double murder on Jomtien beach or not, the arresters had no right to release him, since he was wanted by the Prakhanong District Court, in addition. First of all Mr. John Doe must have been delivered to the Court of Law which has issued an arrest-warrant against him and transferred over to the Court's custody. "Strangely" enough, the arresters from the Immigration Office had UNCONDITIONALLY (without bringing him even to the Prakhanong District Court) RELEASED

Mr. John Doe next evening after his arrest i.e. around 7-8 PM -28 of February 2007, following interference into this case from some "high- ranking" police official, who applied his pressure on the arresters from the Immigration Office. The fact of such an unconditional release of Mr. John Doe 28 of February 2007 has been confirmed by his (and mine) lawyer -Mr. xxxxxxxx -who personally witnessed his release from the Immigration custody that evening.

[Владимир Блинков]

Интересный коментарий к событиям в общем то несвязанными..

[voyager1970]

очень складно излагает,даже слишком.эта же инфо проскакивала раньше вместе с фото этого человека, там же упомяналось его ''настоящее имя''.похоже на провокацию
http://daywatch.home.sapo.pt/

[Alex44]

очень складно излагает,даже слишком.эта же инфо проскакивала раньше вместе с фото этого человека, там же упомяналось его ''настоящее имя''.похоже на провокацию
http://daywatch.home.sapo.pt/

Охуеть!!!!!!!!! Это правда???

[voyager1970]

звучит правдоподобно,только это не гарантия истины .вероятно,что из каких то соображений, в правдивую историю были вплетены к ней не причастние люди.боюсь,что правду мы никогда не узнаем.

[Zai]

Мутная история!

[Alex44]

А ведь факты здорово совпадают! В рускоязычной статье и статье из Паттайя Дэйли Ньюс есть много схожего. А что если этот Узбекский чел действительно существует...

[Гость]

Интересно сколько времени будут обмусоливаться эти инет-баяны?

[Владимир Блинков]

Интересно сколько времени будут обмусоливаться эти инет-баяны?

Безконечно! Для этого баяны и существуют.
Надо тему модераторам закрывать походу.Или хвост переносить в другой раздел.

[Inchik]

ну, может это и домыслы, конечно.... Но когда посмотрела на фото девушек, мне показалось странным, что они сидят рядом - а на самом деле, как поведет себя человек, если в его соседа стреляют? - вскочит, попытается убежать, а не прислонится к плечу, тем более, что выстрелов был несколько - а значит можно было успеть сделать какие-то движения.... .

[Avers]

ну, может это и домыслы, конечно.... Но когда посмотрела на фото девушек, мне показалось странным, что они сидят рядом - а на самом деле, как поведет себя человек, если в его соседа стреляют? - вскочит, попытается убежать, а не прислонится к плечу, тем более, что выстрелов был несколько - а значит можно было успеть сделать какие-то движения.... .

Ага! А было ли у них на это время? Плюс не забывайте, что шок парализует, вряд ли на это стоит обращать внимание. В такой ситуации тем более.

[voyager1970]

не уверен,упоминалось ли это ранее:губернатор провинции Чонбури передал семьям погибших девушек по 100000 бат компенсации.

[Владимир Блинков]

не уверен,упоминалось ли это ранее:губернатор провинции Чонбури передал семьям погибших девушек по 100000 бат компенсации.

2.500$ - ну хоть как-то приняли участие в трагедии.
А ни чего не слышно про то, что привели в исполнение приговор или нет ?

[вястик]

А ничего не слышно про то, привели в исполнение приговор или нет?

Слышно, что не привели. Осужденный подал на апелляцию. В мирное время в Таиланде казнят только после всех стадий процесса: апелляционный суд, затем Верховный, затем личное королевское (не)помилование.

[Макс К.]

очень складно излагает,даже слишком.эта же инфо проскакивала раньше вместе с фото этого человека, там же упомяналось его ''настоящее имя''.похоже на провокацию
http://daywatch.home.sapo.pt/

Сомнительная статья, ИМХО.
Пистоль на фото вполне может быть 10-ти зарядный, под .22 калибр.
Тогда входное будет маленькое, а выходное гораздо больше (свинцовая пуля 0.22 "разворачивается").
И история вся весьма сомнительна. Не понятно, Что произошло.
на Лично Мой взгляд - быканули, послали грубо, пришел и убил.

[sonorus]

Думаю в рамках обсуждения данной темы будет полезным напомнить что написано на сайте: "Таиланд абсолютно безопасная для туристов страна. Будучи вечером в самом злачном районе Bangkok или Chiang Mai, вы не почувствуете для себя никакой опасности или угрозы. Ваших спутниц не будут хватать за руки со словами "Наташа", а из взятой на прокат автомашины не спиздят магнитолу и вещи. Конечно, оставленный на пляже кошелёк возможно не вернут, но в 90% случаев его умыкнут сами же туристы. К белым, тайцы относятся доброжелательно, но держат на дистанции..."
Может подправить?

[voyager1970]

+1

[Anton569]

история вся весьма сомнительна. Не понятно, Что произошло.
на Лично Мой взгляд - быканули, послали грубо, пришел и убил.

Согласен, скорее всего так и было.

[Чайник]

Есть в мире, во многих городах места, где на слово ...факинг нигер...получить пулю проще простого.

Или в России. Только слова другие.

[вястик]

Годовщина.