Чрезвычайные происшествия. Беспорядки в Мьянме в 2007 году

[anagarika]

инфа про убитых монахов прошла уже по всем мировым новостным лентам, в том числе со ссылками на источники и подробным описанием самих инцидентов со стрельбой и погибшими - по последним сведениям они были как минимум в двух местах, возле Суле и где-то в пригороде
фотографий с горящими полицейскими мотоциклами и баррикадами у Шведагона в инете тоже хватает, news.google.com открывайте и читайте
вот что говорят тайские источники, если уж только им доверять
http://etna.mcot.net/query.php?nid=31882

[Balad]

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[voyager1970]

по неподтвержденным данным убито 5 монахов и одна женщина в нескольких отдельных демострациях.комендантский час об'явлен в Янгоне и Мандалае.в Мандалае протестуют 10000 монахов. 200 монахов арестованы в полночь в Мичине и Бамау.несколько ветеранов оппозици были арестованы в Янгоне еще вчера.сегодня стычки проишодили в Шведагоне и напротив Суле пагоды.

[Valdemaar]

Видимо, там изменения происходят очень быстро. Только что получил от Пьойн Пьйон письмо,где помимо всего прочего:
now I have to stop for October Tour. I have a group from Russia arrival on 12 Oct. already arrange for everything but present situation how to proceed for it

[Dorfmeister]

Засада. 13.10 должны быть в Янгоне. Турагенство молчит. Может устаканится ?

[SVT]

Да уж.... Мы тоже должны были лететь 7.10 Что ж , рисковать не стоит.Дай Бог этой стране мирно и без жертв решить эту ситуацию...

[Alexey Fedotenkov]

Да уж.... Мы тоже должны были лететь 7.10 Что ж , рисковать не стоит.Дай Бог этой стране мирно и без жертв решить эту ситуацию...

Ну, совсем отчаиваться - пока не стоит.
Подождите до 01.10 (если есть такая возможность) и тогда принимайте окончательное решение.

[Alina1]

Завтра форумчанка Owsyasha должна была вылетать в Янгон. Она отменила вылет в связи с получением письма от представителя бирманского турагентства, которое она попросила выложить здесь:

Things getting worse yesterday. Sule, Shwedagon are closed today. Don't know what happen the days after. You might not be harmed suppose you stay away from the protest. So, the decision to come or not depends on you totally. I am not able to judge how things will develop in the coming days.
Please let me know if you are to come on schedule. But, I was just told by the Air Mandalay that 05Oct Mandalay-Bagan is cancelled. We may have another airline if you are firmed to come. But...it can be change in the last minute.

Наш вылет 14.10. Также склоняемся к решению об отмене поездки. Очень-очень жаль. Искренне жаль простых людей, очень хочу, чтобы у них все побыстрее нормализовалось и они зажили по-человечески...

[Yorick]

Я приехал из Мьянмы четыре дня назад. Был там одинадцать дней после посещения Камбоджи... Ещё при мне монахи в Янгоне устраивали некие шествия протеста. Сам я эти шествия не видел, поскольку, когда был в столице, там было немножко сыро. Приблизительно вот так (фото от 23-го сентября):


В принципе, любые советы по поводу целесообразности (или нецелесообразности) поездки в Мьянму в настоящий момент, должны рассматриваться исключительно в виде информации к размышлению, а не к действию. Советовать тут нельзя...

По своему опыту посещения проблемных мест в проблемное время (Ливан, Конго, etc.), могу сказать, что, как правило, оно того не стоит. В первую очередь, даже не из-за всяких там уличных беспорядков, а из-за того, что может остановиться транспорт. Уличные столкновения (если, конечно, события в Янгоне тянут на "уличные столкновения"), скорее всего, сами по себе, не страшны. На крайний случай, столицу вообще можно исключить из программы осмотра - в Мьянме и без Янгона достопримечательностей хватит на месяц. Даже лететь туда не обязательно: AirMandalay раз в неделю (по пятницам) летает за 68 баксов в один конец из тайского Чианг Мая напрямую в Мандалай. В Ньянг-У, Хехо и на побережье, в Нгапали, Нгуэ Са, насколько мне известно, всё тихо и спокойно...

Но в любом случае, риск поиметь приключения на задницу имеется. Это может быть и остановка транспорта, включая международные авиаперелёты и просто смена власти и всё, что то, что к этому приложится...
В своё время, я уже поимел опыт сваливания из Браззавиля в Камерун. Если честно, драйв и экшн были на уровне, но геймплей немного напрягал

Я бы посоветовал тем, кто уже собрался в Мьянму и имеет билеты, лететь спокойно в Бангкок и не ломать себе голову. А там, глядишь, ситуация в Мьянме нормализуется. А если нет, то можно съездить куда-нибудь в другое место. В Юго-Восточной Азии полно интересных мест.

Узнать о ситуации в Мьянме из первых рук можно, например, через некоторых моих знакомых там (англоязычных). Если владеете, то звоните по следующим телефонам.

В Янгоне: 09 500 7218 (моб.) или 726349 (городской). Человечка зовут Win Myo Aung (можно просто Вин). Он работает в туристическом бизнесе, живёт в Яногоне, так что ситуацией наверняка владеет. Или пишите на почту: saint@myanmar.com.mm

Ещё в Янгоне: (95) 9 516 8057 (это моб. в международном формате). Спросить Lin Htein (Лин Тиен). По английски говорит чисто, ибо из Малайзии. E-Mail: mtstours@myanmar.com.mm

В Ньянг У: 061 60921 (моб.). Это хороший паренёк - и.о. менеджера в одном гестхаузе рядом с Баганом. Звать его - Lwin (произносится - Лиин). Почты нет.

К сожалению, не могу найти телефончик человека в Патейне и в Нгуэ Са. Если найду - добавлю.

[lentau]

ya tozhe nedavno s myanmy, tam svsio spokoino bylo. skazaly b mozhno ehat. v lubom sluvhae - nashi agenstva pislai - stolknovenia monahov, a my v eto vremia ih kormili i nichego takogo ne videli.

welcome!

[voyager1970]

EDIT Breaking news, Thurs 7:30 pm:

Burmese security forces on Thursday shot and killed a Japanese photographer and a German also believed to be a journalist.



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Burma is world's most corrupt country, says report
source: Guardian Unlimited

Burma was today ranked with Somalia as the world's most corrupt country, according to a report that coincides with the biggest challenge to military rule for two decades.

As the Burmese junta faces mass protests led by thousands of monks, the report from Transparency International, the anti-corruption group, reinforced Burma's pariah status.

The 2007 corruption perceptions index scores countries on a scale from zero to 10, with zero indicating high levels of perceived corruption and 10 indicating low levels of perceived corruption. Somalia and Burma share the lowest score of 1.4.

Transparency International said a strong correlation between corruption and poverty continued to be evident. Some 40% of those scoring below three, indicating that corruption is perceived as rampant, are classified by the World Bank as low-income countries.

Endowed with abundant natural resources and fertile land, Burma should be one of Asia's most prosperous countries. But years of government mismanagement have placed it among the 20 poorest countries in the world, according to UN estimates.

Burma has a per capita income of $200 (£100), 10 times less than its neighbour Thailand. Some 90% of the population live on $1 a day, and recent increases in fuel prices have hit hard.

Experts said the government blundered by raising fuel prices overnight last month without first publicly explaining the increase or considering a phased-in price rise as other Asian countries have done.

A similar mistake sparked the 1988 protests, which the junta suppressed by killing thousands of demonstrators. Those protests followed a government move to increase the price of rice and cancel certain currency notes, leaving many with worthless money.

The government, which holds a monopoly on fuel sales and subsidises them, raised the price of fuel from 1,500 kyats (58p) per imperial gallon of diesel.

Natural gas has also increased by as much as 500%. The prices of commodities such as eggs, cooking oil and poultry have increased by an average of 35%.

Experts say the price rises show the government either does not care or is out of touch with the condition of ordinary Burmese, especially given the leadership's penchant for opulence.

The junta used up much-needed funds in building the country's new capital deep in the jungle. Money is also needed to maintain one of the world's largest armies.

Burmese have to take dramatic measures to survive. Many must walk miles to work to avoid paying higher bus fares, while others are selling furniture and other household goods.

Afghanistan, Sudan and Iraq are also at the bottom of Transparency International's corruption index.

"Countries torn apart by conflict pay a huge toll in their capacity to govern," said Huguette Labelle, chair of Transparency International. "With public institutions crippled or non-existent, mercenary individuals help themselves to public resources and corruption thrives."

[voyager1970]

Thousands of people protest, without monks, in Burma

Rangoon - Thousands of people gathered on Pagoda Road in downtown Rangoon Thursday to openly defy Burma's police and military, who have dared to arrest and beat up members of the revered Buddhist monkhood over the past two days.

An estimated 10,000 laymen congregated one block north of Sule Pagoda, a flashpoint for the past ten days of protests, where they shouted catcalls and clapped their hands in a show of contempt for the government troops around the temple.

Although barricades had been taken down on Pagoda Road Thursday morning, there were fully-armed police and soldiers lined up on the sidewalks and posted in the pagoda, readying for a confrontation, eyewitnesses said.

"There are people willing to shoot and people willing to die," said one Western diplomat of the looming showdown.

Most monks stayed away from the protest Thursday, amid reports that authorities had raided several monasteries at around 2 am Thursday, arresting up to 100 monks.

Security personnel raided the Moe Kaung monastery in Yankin Township and Ngwe Kyar Yan Monastery in South Okkalapa township and took away monks in their trucks, covering them with tarpaulin canvas sheets.

Eye-witnesses said the monks were beaten and dragged out of their monasteries screaming. Bloodstains were visible in many of the monks' quarters.

The ruling junta cracked down Wednesday on monk-led marches that started small on September 18 and peaked Monday with an estimated 100,000 participants.

On Wednesday riot police and soldiers beat back monks and their laymen followers with batons and tear gas from the Shwedagon Pogada and fired warning shots at the mob around the Sule Pagoda.

The state-run New Light of Myanmar newspaper claimed that the clash was sparked by protesters throwing stones at the security officers.

"On account of the unavoidable circumstances, the members of the security forces fired some shots employing the least force to disperse the mob," claimed the government mouthpiece.

It claimed one civilian was killed in the melee and two others wounded. Other sources said at least five people, including monks, died on Wednesday and more than 100 were injured.

Barricades and troops were in place Thursday morning at key sites in Yangon, including the Shwedagon Pagoda and Bogyoke Street, two of the main rallying spots for the past nine days of protests in the city.

Roadblocks had been removed from the Pagoda Road that leads to Sule Pagoda, but the temple was heavily guarded.

Burmese's monks, said to number 400,000, have a long history of political activism. The monkhood played a pivotal role in Myanmar's independence struggle from Great Britain in 1947 and the anti-military demonstrations of 1988 that ended in bloodshed.

Burmese military regime rounded up more than a hundred monks in raids of Rangoon temples after midnight and stationed hundreds of troops at key sites in the former capital in preparation for more protests Thursday.

Informed sources said authorities raided several temples early Thursday morning and rounded up an unknown number of monks in an effort to prevent more protest marches on Thursday.

Barricades and troops were in place Thursday morning at key sites in Rangoon, including the Shwedagon and Sule pagodas and Bogyoke Street, the main rallying spots for the past nine days of monk-led protests in the city.

The military finally cracked down on the monks' barefoot rebellion on Wednesday, beating back monks and their laymen followers from the Shwedagon and Sule pagoda and firing warning shots at the crowds, numbering in the thousands.

The government has claimed that only one person died in the melee and two were injured. Other sources said as many as five died, including monks, and more than 100 were injured.

It was still unclear Thursday morning whether the monks would take to the streets for a tenth day. Past protests have started about noon, after the monks have taken food and started their midday fast.

There have been reports of similar monk-led protests taking place in other Burmese cities such as Mandalay and Sittwe.

Burmese monks, said to number 400,000, have a long history of political activism. The monkhood played a pivotal role in Burmese independence struggle from Great Britain in 1947 and the anti-military demonstrations of 1988, that ended in bloodshed.

[voyager1970]

сегодня в полночь в стране должны отключить доступ в интернет и мобильные телефоны.поток информации будет полностью под контролем режима.
здесь немного о событиях вечерашнего дня вокруг пагод:
At Shwedagon pagoda

"The authorities refused to open the eastern gate of Shwedagon pagoda, the monks stood in front of the gate and recited Metta Sutta [Buddhist teaching for loving kindness]. Then the soldiers charged the monks with batons and started beating and kicking the monks. We heard that an elderly monk died because of the beating. I saw one monk beaten severely. I guess that he is the same monk who is reported to have died. The monk must be over 80 years old. The monks were peacefully demanding opening of the gate and the soldiers just charged into them and arrested five people. I heard that two of the monks who were arrested were forced to take off their robes. Their robes were burnt. And the police also stamped on the Sasanah flag [religious flag]. In all, about 12 monks and civilians were injured. The police fired teargas from four directions."

At Sule pagoda

"On either sides of the Sule pagoda, street security forces are positioned and in the middle soldiers are taking up position. They all marched in a row and blocked the street. They all had their guns ready and fired into the sky as warning shots and hit a signboard and hurt one person inside the telephone office, which is near the Sule. And glasses were broken. And immediately all shopkeepers nearby pulled down shutters ... There are only a few monks here, but a lot of people, I think at least tens of thousands."
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[voyager1970]

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Violent Crackdown Launched in Myanmar



THAI airline reschedules flights to Rangoon
source: The Nation

The Thai Airways announces the reschedule of flights to Rangoon, Burma for passengers in need of travel.


The airline said as there is unrest in the country that resulted in imposing of curfew. Therefore, it has rescheduled its flights on the return flight route Bangkok - Rangoon for 2 flights during September 27 to October 5.

1. Flight TG 305 on the route Bangkok - Rangoon.

Original departure from Bangkok at 18.10 hrs. and arrival in Rangoon at 19.00 hrs.

Rescheduled departure from Bangkok at 16.30 hrs. and arrival in Rangoon at 17.20 hrs. 2. Flight TG 306 on the route Rangoon - Bangkok

Original departure from Rangoon at 20.00 hrs. and arrival in Bangkok at 21.45 hrs.

Rescheduled departure from Rangoon at 18.20 hrs. and arrival in Bangkok at 20.05 hrs. 3. Other flights to and from Rangoon remain as scheduled.

THAI operates daily return flights on the route Bangkok - Rangoon v.v., at 3 flights per day.

Passengers requiring further information may contact THAI's Call Center by calling Tel. 0-2356-1111, 24 hours a day.

[voyager1970]

Six dead including Japanese national, opposition radio
source: The Nation Breaking news

Oslo - At least six people were feared dead Thursday in more confrontations in Burma between the military and demonstrators, the Oslo-based opposition radio station Democratic Voice of Burma said.

One of the dead in Rangoon was a Japanese national believed to have been a photo-journalist, the radio station's daily news editor Htet Aung Kyaw told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa in a telephone interview.

AFP meanwhile reported the first victim of the crackdown was a video journalist, Kenji Nagai, 50, who was working for APF News, a video and photo agency based in Tokyo.

His firm said Nagai worked on a contract and was dispatched in the past to trouble spots. He had entered Burma a few days ago before the crackdown.

DPA said other victims were thought to include four monks who were beaten to death in connection with overnight raids on Yangon monasteries, he said.

There were fewer monks in the crowds Thursday, partly since many were arrested in the overnight raids and that security forces have tried to block off the monasteries, according to the witness accounts received in Oslo.

Two senior leaders of Aung San Suu Kyi's opposition National League for Democracy (NLD) were arrested including spokesman Myint Thin, he said.

Demonstrations were staged in several parts of Rangoon, soldiers have fired automatic rifles at the crowds but injury tallies were not available.

In Mandalay, the second largest city, demonstrations were also staged. Information was sketchy since many phone lines were cut, but the station's sources said soldiers used an electric power line to disperse demonstrators.

In Kachin State in northern Burma near the Chinese border two monasteries were raided Tuesday evening and some 400 monks arrested, the radio station's sources said.

Demonstrations were also staged in the city of Mandalay, and witness accounts suggested solidiers used a live electric power line to disperse crowds, Htet Aung Kyaw said.

Earlier, the station's news editor Moe Aye said that an order had been issued to discharge patients from the main hospital, suggesting that the military were preparing to deploy violence against the protesters there.

The opposition radio station, funded by among others the governments of Norway, Denmark and Sweden, broadcasts via satellite and shortwave to Burma.

Thousands of laymen on Thursday carried forward an anti-military protest initiated by Burma's Buddhist monkhood with defiance against the country's hated junta, drawing gunfire that killed some civilians, including two foreigners.

Rangoon's streets, taken over by tens-of-thousands of marching monks in recent days, were replaced by angry but unarmed laymen after authorities cracked down on the clergy Wednesday and Thursday morning.

At midday an estimated 10,000 laymen gathered near the Sule Pagoda, a flashpoint for the past 10 days of protests, shouting catcalls and clapping their hands in a show of contempt for the government troops around the temple.

After police issued a verbal warning and fired warning shots, the crowds scattered. A male Caucasian foreigner, believed to be a photographer, was shot dead as he tried to make his way through a blockade of soldiers, eyewitnesses said.

There were displays of increasingly violent dissent and brutal reprisals throughout the city.

About 1,000 villagers in South Okkalapa township on the eastern outskirts of Yangon attacked an army truck, pelting the soldiers on board with stones until they shot 10 tear gas canisters into the mob to make a getaway.

The villagers were reportedly outraged that the military had raided the Ngwe Kyar Yan monastery early Thursday morning, arresting monks and leaving its revered abbot severely beaten.

Witnesses said a lieutenant colonel leading three truckloads of soldiers in the raid beat some of his own soldiers when they refused to attack monks in the monastery.

Pitched battles followed between the soldiers and residents living near the monastery.

After dawn on Thursday, angry local residents gathered at the scene of the violence. Many of them were crying with rage.

"It is impossible to believe that the government would brutalize the holy monks," said one resident of the area who witnessed the melee. "The government is not doing this for stability. This is sacrilege to the religion we believe in."

A similar scene was witnessed later on Thursday at the intersection of Kyaikasan and Leydaungkan roads, in eastern Yangon, where hundreds of people blocked the road and faced off with soldiers.

After firing warning shots, the soldiers attacked the protesters, loading hundreds on to five trucks that moved them to nearby Kyaikasan Grounds, a public park turned holding centre.

The protests continued Thursday evening, with reports that thousands of people were marching from Ahlone township to Kyimyiutine township in western Rangoon.

"There are people willing to shoot and people willing to die," said one Western diplomat of the ongoing showdown in Rangoon.

Most monks stayed away from the day's protests, amid reports that authorities had raided several monasteries at around 2 am Thursday, arresting up to 100 monks.

The ruling junta cracked down Wednesday on monk-led marches that started small on September 18 and peaked Monday with an estimated 100,000 participants.

On Wednesday riot police and soldiers beat back monks and their laymen followers with batons and tear gas from the Shwedagon Pagoda and fired warning shots at the mob around the Sule Pagoda.

The state-run New Light of Myanmar newspaper claimed that the clash was sparked by protesters throwing stones at the security officers.

"On account of the unavoidable circumstances, the members of the security forces fired some shots employing the least force to disperse the mob," claimed the government mouthpiece.

It claimed one civilian was killed in the melee and two others wounded. Other sources said at least five people, including monks, died on Wednesday and more than 100 were injured.

Barricades and troops were in place Thursday morning at key sites in Yangon, including the Shwedagon Pagoda and Bogyoke Street, two of the main rallying spots for the past nine days of protests in the city.

Many schools were closed as fearful residents kept their children at home.

Roadblocks had been removed Thursday from the Pagoda Road that leads to Sule Pagoda, but the temple was heavily guarded.

Burma's 's monks, said to number 400,000, have a long history of political activism. The monkhood played a pivotal role in Burma's independence struggle from Great Britain in 1947 and the anti-military demonstrations of 1988 that ended in bloodshed

[voyager1970]

Rangoon Under Siege
By The Irrawaddy
September 27, 2007




Rangoon was covered with gunfire smoke on Thursday as security forces and armed military troops used an iron fist to disperse tens of thousands of demonstrators in the second day of the Burmese junta's crackdown on the largest democracy uprising in 20 years. State media reported Thursday evening that nine protesters were killed.

Witnesses in Rangoon believed that the death toll would be higher. Security forces attempted to disperse tens of thousands of people gathered near Sule Pagoda in Rangoon and South Okkalapa Township on Thursday afternoon, witnesses said. The report could not be independently confirmed. Scores of people were beaten by security forces.

Troops fired directly into protesting crowds, using automatic weapons on at least one occasion. Warning shots were also fired above the heads of protesters as an estimated 70,000 anti-government demonstrators braved the overpowering force of the troops and security forces.

Protesters were outraged at security forces following an overnight raid on at least three Buddhist monasteries. Soldiers reportedly beat up and arrested about 700 monks, who had spearheaded the largest challenge to the junta since a failed democracy uprising 19 years ago. One monk reportedly died.

The Japanese Embassy reported on Thursday evening that a Japanese photojournalist died in the gunfire. Pictures released on the Internet show the journalist lying on his back in the street with one hand raised up holding his camera. A soldier wearing flip flops is pointing his rifle at the journalist. A second photograph shows the journalist's face contorted and his arm now rests on the ground, apparently shot a second time at point blank range. The photojournalist was Kanji Nagai, 51, according to the Japanese video news agency APF News.

It is believed that security forces issued a 10-minute warning to the pro-democracy demonstrators to disperse from the area around Sule Pagodas or face "extreme action."

The gunfire came on the second day of a bloody crackdown that began on Wednesday when five monks died from gunfire or were beaten to death by security forces.

In other news, a number of foreign ambassadors are reportedly now in Naypyidaw
to discuss the junta's actions during the crackdown. Some Western governments are said to be considering pulling their embassies out of Burma to protest against the military government's actions.

A spokesman for the monks told the international media on Thursday they are demanding the junta lower fuel prices, release Aung San Suu Kyi from house arrest and begin a real dialogue with the democratic opposition leaders in the country. Similar demands have been made by many countries and organizations in the recent past.

Overnight, more monks were surrounded and attacked in at least three monasteries. One monk reportedly died and many were beaten. The hallways and rooms of one monastery were splattered with blood. An estimated 700 monks were taken away by security forces.

Thousands of protesters who were dispersed when soldiers fired into the demonstrators near the center of Rangoon on Thursday regathered and then walked to Tamwe Township in eastern Rangoon, a protester told The Irrawaddy. He said most of the protesters were determined to continue the demonstrations despite the danger. After troops fired on the crowd, about 100 people were arrested and taken away.

Later in the day, protesters reached Tamwe Township where they were again confronted by security forces who surrounded the protestors and fired into the crowd.

A short while later, bloggers and e-mail reports said that military vehicles were driving through the town firing randomly into peaceful crowds, apparently in an effort to spark terror throughout the city.

Soldiers also entered Traders Hotel situated in the heart of Rangoon near Sule pagoda on Thursday afternoon and searched it room by room, according to sources. It was thought the soldiers were searching for foreign journalists suspected of capturing video from a hotel room and reporting clandestinely on the crackdown to international media.

At least three monasteries were stormed under gunfire by troops and riot police early Thursday morning, reportedly killing one monk and injuring many others. Only monastery sick-bay patients were left alone as the monks were beaten, kicked and forced out of the monasteries and into waiting vehicles. It was not known where they were taken.

In South Okkalapa Township, one center of resistance in the 1988 popular uprising, tens of thousands of angry residents besieged security forces guarding New Kyar Yan monastery. The monastery was broken into by troops and riot police during the night and around 200 monks beaten and arrested.

“The troops are deploying themselves as if for action,” an eyewitness told The Irrawaddy.

An army truck broke down the main gate of Ngwe Kyar Yan monastery in the early hours of Thursday morning and warning shots were fired as the monks were rounded up, a local welfare worker told The Irrawaddy.

"The whole compound of the monastery is chaotic. Windows were smashed, bullet casings littered the ground, and blood stained the concrete floor," he said.

Five hundred monks were arrested after security forces broke forcibly into
Mogaung monastery in Yankin Township, one eyewitness said.

Some who avoided arrest returned after daybreak, bleeding from wounds to their shaven heads. A few said they had got away by climbing into trees around the monastery.

Maggin monastery in western Rangoon, where HIV patients are cared for was also raided. Witnesses said that soldiers and riot police stormed in, beating up and hauling away four monks, including the abbot and four people caring for HIV patients.

Burma’s monasteries are hotbeds of the pro-democracy movement. The current raids seem to be in an apparent attempt to prevent further demonstrations, which have been spearheaded by the Buddhist monks.

The security forces fired at protesters for the first time on Wednesday in street protests that have grown over the past month into the biggest demonstrations against Burma's military rulers since 1988.

[Martina]

Сегодня в ЖЖ был выложен большой фоторепортаж.
http://drugoi.livejournal.com/2336995.html

[BUT]

Это мы должны были прилететь в Янгон 12 октября. Пока ничего не отменяем. От Пион Пион Нве никакой информации об итзминениях на почту не поступало. Может быть это их сугубо "еврейские разборки" и туристов не коснется?

[Dorfmeister]

BUT, мы должны были прилететь 13.10 в Янгон. На почту наше агенство не отвечает. Судя по всему, хунта перекрыла доступ в Инет. Если к 1 октября ситуация не изменится, будем менять планы. Судя по фотоотчёту и информации от voyager1970, лучше пока не стало. Так же есть непонятки с авиаперелётом, неизвестно будет ли рейс от Air Asia, так же остаётся открытым вопрос относительно внутренних перелётов. Я так же жопускаю, что при въезде в страну вся видео-фото техника будет изыматься
Стоит ли рисковать? Поживём увидим...

[SVT]

Весь интернет в Мьянме заблокирован. Это факт. Наши турагенты настоятельно рекомендуют отказываться.Самолеты на внутренних перелетах не предсказуемы.
Вчера сдали билеты... И взяли на ноябрь в Непал.

[Dorfmeister]

Почта в Бирме работает. Вот что сегодня ответило агенство:

Dear Ivan,
Thanks a lot for mail. At the moment, the situation in Myanmar is still peaceful and tourists are also visiting as planned. Even yesterday , i myself welcomed two groups, one group Russian ( 29 Pax ) and one group Thais ( 9 Pax ). But we cannot visit the crowded places and some particular tourist sites. And we all have to be at the hotels before 9 PM. The rest remains totally OK.

Thanks for your mail and we will keep you updated.

Hope everything will be fine and the sititation will be back to normal. Seeing is believing!!! Please do not totally rely on the news on TV and newspapers. They mostly see from negative sites when it comes to Myanmar.

Складывается впечатление, что агенство не хочет упустить возможность заработать денег. Хотя это не совсем свойственно для бирманцев.
Что скажете? Исключать из маршрута Мьянму?

[Alexey Fedotenkov]

Что скажете? Исключать из маршрута Мьянму?

Коллеги!
Настоятельно призываю Вас чуток обождать с принятием решения.
Если это, конечно, возможно.
Думаю, что всё окончательно станет ясно в самое ближайшее время.
Причем, ИМХО, скорее всего, все останется так, как было.

[voyager1970]

Rangoon; Afternoon—Trucks loaded with troops raided the offices of Burma's main Internet service provider, Myanmar Info-Tech, located at Rangoon University (Hlaing campus) around noon on Friday in an effort to cut all public access to the internet. The move is in response to the flood of photographs, videos, news reports and e-mail sent out of the country to the international media and the rest of the world by average citizens.

[voyager1970]

Two Shot in Clash with Troops; People with Cameras Singled Out

September 28, 2007




At least two people were hit by gunfire when military troops opened fire on demonstrators on Friday afternoon in Kyauktada Township in central Rangoon, according to a witness, who said she narrowly escaped by hiding under a vehicle.

The demonstrators were boxed in between Anawrahta Road and Maha Bandoola Road, she said. Dozens of protesters were arrested, bound and beaten. The troops pursued fleeing people into buildings, she said, singling out people with cameras.

If they were captured, she said, the troops beat them while shouting, “Is it you who sends those pictures out?”

A Japanese cameraman, Kenji Nagai of the video agency APF News, was shot and killed on Thursday during a demonstration near Sule Pagoda. He appeared to have been shot point blank by a soldier while he was lying face up on the street.

In other news, Internet access to Burma was cut off by the regime today.


The flow of internet information out of Burma stopped around 3 p.m.

Representatives who were elected in the 1990 elections that were nullified by the junta led a demonstration march in Rangoon around noon Friday, on the third day of public protests in which military authorities have killed at least nine people. The number of injured is unknown, but easily numbers in the hundreds.

Australian Ambassador Bob Davis told CNN that he believed the true death toll ran into "multiples" of the official military figure.

Protestors shouted slogans such as "Give Us Freedom" and called for an end to the junta and the release of Aung San Suu Kyi, who has been under house arrest for 11 of the past 18 years.

Scattered protest occurred Rangoon, with many protesters throwing stones and taunting the soldiers.

Rangoon residents are still in shock over violent attacks on at least three Rangoon monasteries early Thursday morning, in which an estimated 700 monks were arrested and taken to an unknown location by security forces. Many monks were severely beaten, and the monasteries were splattered with blood.

Security forces declared a "no-go" zone around five key monasteries in Rangoon, diplomats told The Associated Press on Friday. Diplomats were told the security forces have the monks under control and would now turn their attention to citizen protestors.

Security forces and soldiers began moving troops and equipment into place during the early morning hours on Friday.

About 10 fire trucks took up positions around Rangoon’s City Hall, and about 12 empty military trucks were positioned at Bandoola Park, according to witnesses.

A main road leading to Sule Pagoda in central Rangoon was blocked off with barbed wire.

Authorities also positioned security forces at Kandawgyi Park and the Livestock and Fisheries office in Kyeemyindaing Township, witnesses said.

Central Rangoon was the scene of repeated gunfire on Thursday as security forces tried to disperse tens of thousands of people calling for democracy and a free Burma. Hundreds of people were arrested and taken away to unknown locations.

In Mandalay, military troops raided Pauk Myaing Monastery around 7:30 p.m. On Thursday while about 50 monks were praying in front of a Buddha statue, said sources close to the monastery.

The monks were knelling in prayer when attacked, beaten with batons and kicked with boots before being taken away by troops. The source said numerous monks were bleeding from the beatings. Most of the monks were arrested, but a few managed to escape.

When news of the raid spread, monks at other local monasteries started collecting weapons such as knives, spears and slingshots in an effort to defend themselves from raiding troops, the source said.

The monks said they will defend themselves if security forces attack their monasteries, and they urged the public to join them.

The UN special envoy to Burma, Ibrahim Gambari, is on his way to Burma and could arrive by Saturday, one Western diplomat told the AP. There is hopeful speculation that Gambari might play a role in some type of dialogue between the generals and opposition groups that could curtail the violence.

Also on Thursday, Burma’s Karen National Union issued a call for all ethnic ceasefire groups to rise up against the Burmese regime in solidarity with the people of Rangoon and Mandalay.

The Shan State Army-South, whose forces are defending areas of southeastern Burma against the Burmese army, also voiced its support for monks and other protesters resisting the regime's efforts to stamp out the rising opposition to its rule.

The KNU, in a statement issued on Thursday from its headquarters in Kawthoole, called on government troops to turn their guns on the ruling generals.

[amon_ra]

В новостях прошла инфа,что преостановили выдачу виз

[voyager1970]

видеокадры убийства японского фотокорреспондента..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hjEVB1DECQ4
здесь кадры столкновений вокруг Шведагона и Суле


http://youtube.com/watch?v=K_7I-3HrrS0

[voyager1970]

здесь кадры восстания 1988 года.благодаря интернету теперь можно увидеть то,что никогда не показывают по тв

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1X6D3v5A2eM& ... ed&search=

[BUT]

Часть нашй группы забирала визы в эту среду. Проблем не было. На ворос рекомендуют ли они воздержаться сейчас от поездки, сказали езжайте спокойно. От агенства на мое позавчерашнее письмо ответа так и нет.

[BUT]

Получил письмо от Пион Пион. Анализа ситуации нет вообще, наверно опасно писать. Пишет, если мы поедем, то все организуют, а если нет, то все без проблем отменят.

[voyager1970]

семья лидера Мянмар ,генерала Тан Шве в полном составе сбежала в Лаос

Family of Burma's super boss are in Laos - reports
source: The Nation / breaking news

Burma's Gen Than Shwe family is reported to board a plane which landed in Vientiane Laos, reported Merinews online.

In what could be a harbinger of things to come in Burma, in bloody turmoil, a chartered flight from the country landed in Vientiane, Laos' capital.

Rumours have been rife, right through the day, in the strife torn country that the military junta supremo, Senior General Than Shwe's family was planning to leave Burma.

The family of eight was said to have boarded Burma's Air Bagan flight, which landed in Vientiane at 6 p.m. (local time) on Thursday, according to the Merinews.

The chartered flight carried eight passengers. Than Shwe's close associate Tayza, a business tycoon in Burma, owns the airline.

The passengers were said to be close relatives of Than Shwe including his wife Daw Kyaing Kyaing.

The junta is likely to pass off the departure of the family to merely a visit to Laos.

Political observers feel that Than Shwe and his family left the country in the wake of large-scale violence, which left nine people dead, according to the state run media. The actual deaths might be much higher, according to unconfirmed reports.

Letting loose terror on peaceful monks did not go down well with a section of the junta. Did the heat become too much for Than Shwe to handle? Political developments in strife-torn Burma would certainly unfold many truths.
_________________

[ksen]

какая жесть....


Шеф военной разведки Мьянмы рассказал о массовых убийствах монахов
http://www.korrespondent.net/main/209894/

01 Октября 2007, 15:55

Шеф военной разведки северной части Янгона, дезертировавший из армии, рассказал в воскресенье, что власти Мьянмы, подавляя мятеж в стране, тайно убили тысячи буддийских монахов, а их тела вывезли в джунгли.

Об этом пишет The Daily Mail.

Хла Вин, перешедший таиландскую границу, заявил, что бежал вместе с сыном, когда ему было приказано участвовать в рейдах в монастыри, где монахов принуждали садиться в грузовики и увозили, чтобы убивать.

Со ссылкой других беженцев из Янгона сообщается, что сотни монахов исчезли после рейдов солдат армии Мьянмы по городу. Около 2000 духовных лиц содержатся в тюрьмах и зданиях университета, а остальные заперты в собственных монастырях.

О ситуации в Янгоне рассказала также Лизалотта Агерлид, дипломат из Швеции. По ее словам, пустынные улицы Янгона постоянно патрулируют солдаты армии Мьянмы. Она также заявила, что армейские рейды затронули три монастыря, и теперь они полностью обезлюдели. Кроме того, по ее данным, 40 монахов, содержавшихся в тюрьме, забили до смерти, а тела сожгли.

[voyager1970]

еще пару дней назад Сильвестру Сталлонэ и его сьемочной группе,которая на Бирманской границе снимает Рэмбо 6, приказали убраться из страны.Сталлонэ публично высказал симпатию к беженцам из страны,после чего получил недвусмысленны угрозы своей жизни.

[voyager1970]

Rangoon Quiet But Raids on Monasteries Continue

By Yeni

October 01, 2007—Rangoon remained tense on Monday, with hundreds of heavily armed troops and riot police deployed on the streets and sealing off the leading monasteries.

At least 1,500 Buddhist monks, nuns and other protesters have been arrested since taking to the streets in peaceful demonstrations two weeks ago, and thousands of other monks are being prevented by security forces from leaving their monasteries.

Raids on Rangoon’s monasteries continue. Troops from naval vessels stormed monasteries bordering the Pazundaung River, in Tharkayta Township, Rangoon, in the early hours of Sunday.

Local residents surrounded one monastery to protect the monks, and one person was reportedly killed when troops opened fire. Eyewitnesses said at least 100 monks were arrested and taken away.

Video film shown on Sunday by the Norway-based Democratic Voice of Burma showed a monk, covered in bruises, floating face down in the river.

"The greatest tragedy is that the armed forces are beating, torturing, shooting and killing the Buddhist monks, who marched peacefully and only chanted the “Metta Sutta”[the Buddha’s words on loving kindness],” a Rangoon-based senior journalist told The Irrawaddy.

"The armed forces may be controlling street demonstrations, but public anger and sentiment are still at the highest level. The people regard the action of the military government as totally unacceptable."

The huge security presence has a stranglehold on the country, preventing any repetition of the demonstrations that brought the clampdown.

An Asian diplomat told the Associated Press that he estimated 20,000 troops had been deployed in Rangoon. Britain’s Ambassador in Rangoon, Mark Canning, put the number at 15,000.

Security has also been beefed up in Mandalay. Key monasteries have been sealed off, and military trucks carrying soldiers and members of the pro-government Union Solidarity and Development Association and the paramilitary group Swan Ah Shin are cruising city streets.

"The armed forces have surrounded several monasteries with barbed wire," a Mandalay-based editor told The Irrawaddy by phone on Monday. "Monks have been ordered not to receive food as alms. They are already refusing alms offered by members of the military regime, so they are very short of food.”

The Alliance of All Burmese Buddhist Monks has called on the Burmese people to protest in their homes over the next three evenings by switching off electricity and avoiding government TV programs.

"We urge the entire people of Burma to show solidarity with us by participating in this peaceful movement," a monk named U Gambiya told the BBC Burmese service on Sunday.

An Alliance spokesman said some leaders of the monks’ protests had gone into hiding.

[BUT]

Вчера на почту получил сообщения о том. что последние два письма не были доставлены адресату. Похоже интернет действительно блокирован. Как теперь подтверждать или отменять тур не понятно. По картинке из телевизора понятно, что все кончилось, улицы убрали, ограждения сняли. Непонятно можно ли ввозить фото и видео аппаратуру, можно ли снимать на улицах и в храмах.

[voyager1970]

картинки с телевизора теперь поступают только такие,какие нужны властям,иначе для чего интернет и мобильники перекрывать было.

[Dorfmeister]

Вчера на почту получил сообщения о том. что последние два письма не были доставлены адресату. Похоже интернет действительно блокирован. Как теперь подтверждать или отменять тур не понятно. По картинке из телевизора понятно, что все кончилось, улицы убрали, ограждения сняли. Непонятно можно ли ввозить фото и видео аппаратуру, можно ли снимать на улицах и в храмах.

Та же проблема. Письма вернулись со статусом "не доставлено" Инет таки в Бирме залочили. Может есть смысл в посольство по поводу техники позвонить?
BUT какой у вас маршрут? Мой:
1 день Янгон (13.10.07)
2 день перелёт Янгон - Баган (14.10.07)
3 день Баган (15.10.07)
4 день перелёт Баган - Хехо - Инле (16.10.07)
5 день Инле (17.10.07)
6 день перелёт Инле - Янгон (18.10.07) возможно послеобеденный рейс
7 день Янгон (19.10.07)
8 день Янгон вылет в БКК (20.10.07)

Может скооперируемся?

P.S. у меня фотокамера похожая на проф-ую + штатиф, могут блин и не пустить...

[Dorfmeister]

картинки с телевизора теперь поступают только такие,какие нужны властям,иначе для чего интернет и мобильники перекрывать было.

voyager1970, хочу услышать ваше мнение как эксперта, стоит ехать через неделю в Бирму или лучше не рисковать?

[MI02]

Разговаривал с одним знакомым, он позавчера вернулся из Бирмы.

1. Все спокойно. В Рангуне комм. час, все магазины закрываются к 8 вечера. С 9 передвижение запрещено вне зависимости иностранец или резидент.

2. Проблем с фотоаппаратом у него не было никаких.

3. Все рейсы в последнии дни внутри страны без всяких задержек и отмен.

4. Связь с внешним миром очень ограничена.

5. Курс кьята немного упал, он менял по 1350 - 1400


Он сказал, что была бы возможность полетел бы прямо сейчас еще раз.

AirAsia уменьшила число рейсов до 3 в неделю.

Мы все же летим через 2 недели, посмотрим, что и как.

[Dorfmeister]

[Dorfmeister]

Разговаривал с одним знакомым, он позавчера вернулся из Бирмы.

1. Все спокойно. В Рангуне комм. час, все магазины закрываются к 8 вечера. С 9 передвижение запрещено вне зависимости иностранец или резидент.

2. Проблем с фотоаппаратом у него не было никаких.

3. Все рейсы в последнии дни внутри страны без всяких задержек и отмен.

4. Связь с внешним миром очень ограничена.

5. Курс кьята немного упал, он менял по 1350 - 1400

Спасибо за информацию!


Он сказал, что была бы возможность полетел бы прямо сейчас еще раз.

AirAsia уменьшила число рейсов до 3 в неделю.

Мы все же летим через 2 недели, посмотрим, что и как.

MI02, Спасибо за информацию. Теперь осталось найти своё агенство в Мьянме.

[MI02]

У нас похожая ситуация, в прошлом году визы делало агенство и билеты на первое плечо (Янгон - Баган), чтобы точно улететь.

Сейчас не могу дозвониться ни по одному телефону, чтобы организовать FTE (Visa on Arrival).

[BUT]

Наш трип короче вашего. Мы прилетаем в Янгон 12.10.07, 13.10.07 перелетаем в Мандалай, 14.10.07 перелетаем в Баган и 16.10.07 через Янгон улетаем в Бангкок. Проблему с подтверждением или отменой тура похоже нужно решать через знакомых в МИДе. Через них передать принимающей стороне о принятом решении. Сейчас буду этим заниматься.

[BUT]

Сейчас тупо позвонил по телефону агенства в Янгоне и на их факс. С удивлением обнаружил штатную работу телефонов. Прада по времени в офисе никого нет, но появился шанс завтра утром просто переговорить или сбросить им факс.

[MI02]

Я уже сегодня с утра пробую, все именно так, гудки есть, а ответов нет... Все же телефоны отключены, я думаю

[voyager1970]

если уже заплачено,то не ехать уже бесполезно.надеюсь к Суле и Шведагону пустят.с Баганом ,вообще, не должно быть проблем.

[Alex Humster]

2 voyager1970 У меня к Вам такой вопрос,возможно даже наивный ,но Вы бывали в Бирме(Мьянме)неоднократно и неким образом знаете некоторые инсайдерские моменты в этой стране.Можно ли спрогнозировать ситуацию на полгода,год или это просто непредсказуемо?

[MI02]

Alex: Хоть я и был в Бирме только один раз, но, по моему мнению, ситуация "успокаивается", т.е. военные все подавили, революция не получилилась и запал спал.

Я не касаюсь моральных аспектов итд, но для туристов сейчас это плюс. Туристы рассматриваются как приток валюты в страну и фактически в безопасности, если, конечно, не встревать в демонстрации итд. Таким образом ситуация на несколько месяцев ясна.

[Витек]

byli v nyanmar 20.09 - 02.10
internet ne rabortal s 28-29.09 do 02.10 tochno, seichas ne znayu

problemy dlya toursta prostye - interneta net (pri etom - phone call no problem, except price ;) ), some international low-cost carriers (AA and some one from China) cancel flights, bolshe nichego.
shedagon otkrily tolko s vechera 01.10, byl zakryt

air asia otmenila flight RGN-BKK, szuki. zato posadili na PG for free i dogovorilis' ob open ticket for us on our connecting flight from BKK (all for free).
vne yangona - tolko posle chteniya pochty ot rodnyh uznali po CNN, i mestnye potom (s 29) nachali sprashivat znaem li uze ob yangon i mandalay situation. vse sovetovali izbegat' downtown yangon i vse.

vyvez iz strany 02.10 full backpack of not declared professional photo equipment without any questions.

po slovam mestnyh - vse ok cherez ~2 months. odin mne obezal napisat' kogda vse ok.

[sorokinvj]

простите а никто не знает как туда можно отправить деньги?
а то вестерн юнион со страной не работает, дхл деньги в конверт класть не хочет ну и т.д. а очень надо

[voyager1970]

[qуоте="Алех Хумстер"][б]2 воягер1970[/б] У меня к Вам такой вопрос,возможно даже наивный :шоцк: ,но Вы бывали в Бирме(Мьянме)неоднократно и неким образом знаете некоторые инсайдерские моменты в этой стране.Можно ли спрогнозировать ситуацию на полгода,год или это просто непредсказуемо?[/qуоте]

я ,лично думаю,что народ сил´но запуган.на стороне хунты 500000 армия.если они не поддержат народ,то этот режим свалит´ будет невозможно.особенно,когда ден´ги поступают из Китайа,Индии и Франции с Россией.в ООН хунту надежно прикрывает Китай.вооружения все оттуда.
сейчас не досчиталис´ 1000 монахов.без перекрытия денежного крана режим будет держатся .ест´ тол´ко один шанс ,что хунта развалит´ся из нутри,так как уже замечен раскол в высшем руководстве,но не думаю,что это поможет свободе и процветанию народа... 2 года назад уже был один переворот.Ки Нюинт был арестован,но ничего для людей не изменилос´